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Start game and then is disconnected

11:18 pm, May 17, 2017 Hi i have a problem, first i start normally the game when i made login.But entering in the game i'm disconnected automatically and the game is closed. what can i do to solve this problem? Thanks any [..] View

Computer freezes when trying to start aion

11:18 pm, April 1, 2017 So here's the big problem I've been having. I go to play aion and get as far as clicking on play now. Almost every time after that it goes to the first screen (before the loading progress bar) and th [..] View

IDIDID

9:18 am, January 24, 2017 Before i start , i would like to x-refer to my previous thread , http://forums.na.aiononline.com/na/s...d.php?t=151074 . As everyone knows , ID is buggy af , many people have been complaining on LFG , [..] View

Aion pvp is a failure here's why

9:18 am, January 19, 2017 First reason leveling,with the adding of essence to enhance characters this creates a even larger gap between gear and skills for everyone. Gear and enchanting,allowing gear to be +20 and higher if h [..] View

Downlading gets stuck

10:18 pm, January 9, 2017 Hello, I am having a problem. When i download the game from the launcher, the first step of 5.6gb, my downoading gets stuck at a point. Restarting the launcher, comp, giving admin privileges and maki [..] View

Fissure (funny glitch/bug?)

9:18 am, November 29, 2016 For Asmos only. If you die and time it correctly and re-rez, you'll find yourself not in the "high daeva NPC" form anymore. Meaning, you can't xform into the elements. You can attack all the [..] View

BT flarestorm quest

10:18 pm, November 12, 2016 Its my first time that i want to do the chain quests for entry to flarestorm but i cant get the first quest from the chain: Teressa's Request. i am lv 55 and teressa has no quests for me. what am i [..] View

BSoD after launching the game.

9:18 am, November 12, 2016 As the title says I've been getting a Blue Screen when I start this game up and play it for a bit. I used to play this years ago but it was on a much older RIG with an AMD setup back when it first cam [..] View

Huge Graphical/Texture Glitching?

10:18 pm, November 4, 2016 Hello, this is my first time attempting to play Aion Online, and I have ran into some problems. The game is completely downloaded and installed, having gone through all nine stages. However, I am havi [..] View

Running AION on VirtualBox on Mint 18 T400

11:18 pm, October 13, 2016 Greetings; I am attempting to run Aion via VirtualBox (IE11Win7) on a Thinkpad T400 with Mint 18. I get launch start-up that on first splash image pops up: Aion 1023 Failed to set the graphic accel [..] View

How-To: Adma's Fall (Templar's Perspective)

11:18 pm, September 14, 2016 This guide in particular pokes at the remade 66+ version you find in Iluma, just so there's no confusion. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adma's Fall. [..] View

Arena of Glory "PvP": Join with Your Server and **** 4th Place Repeatedly

10:18 am, September 12, 2016 https://postimg.org/image/ypa2okqp5/ 1) These two templars never hit each other once the whole match. They took turns yanking me back and forth and knocking me down. I ****** them once with boon of [..] View

Archives of Eternity (FULL GUIDE)

10:18 am, September 9, 2016 Alrighty so my legion has been requesting me to give them all the inside details about Archives of Eternity since I have been running it in a static weekly on my sin for the past like month or so and [..] View

Would like some help deciding between classes :3

11:18 pm, September 4, 2016 Hey there!! Yes, it's me again.... And no I dont just drop my toons. I just figured I'd like to have this little trinity of Magic dps, supp healer and physical dps. That way i can cover the 3 major wa [..] View

Black screen in illuma map

11:18 pm, August 31, 2016 Hello all, sorry for my english but isn't my idiom,.. but i have a problem with aion online..in illuma map... since 13 july 2016.. Aion 5.0 only in illuma map ,,when im changing the game to des [..] View

Black screen/freeze on alt+tab

11:18 pm, August 27, 2016 As said, right after I upgraded my windows 7 to windows 10, i get black screens when alt tab out of the game, and then try to alt tab back into to it, the screen is blacked out and I must restart the [..] View

Best PvP Asmodian Server

11:18 pm, August 16, 2016 Hello I am a returning player from back in 09! :D First off YAY ASMODIAN <3 Second, I am very curious as to which servers are very good for Asmodian PvP. I have had people tell me that it does [..] View

Help with Theo 66+

10:18 am, August 10, 2016 Hi there guys, I'm sorry to bother but please do enlighten me with this dungeon. The first time I did it it went smoothly and easy. We even just checked for the adds and that was it, we ****** her. [..] View

Aion 5.0 Doesn't download

11:18 pm, August 5, 2016 Hi, From the maintenance of the 3th August 2016, my aion wasn't updating, so i decided to delete that and reinstalling that. I did all the first procedure to do, but the first 5,4Gb (near here)the g [..] View

UI Size won't properly save

11:18 pm, August 1, 2016 Ever since I went from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440, my UI size is defaulted to 130% I changed it to 100% on the character I still play and it remembers it for my AT and Glad... but for some reason it alwa [..] View

Gear Progression - Returning Player

11:18 pm, July 27, 2016 Hello Aion Community! I've recently returned to the game (just before 5.0). I've leveled out a new SM to 63, and I have some questions about gear progression. Last time I played, 50 was the level cap [..] View

No Abbey Daily for Archdaeva?

11:18 pm, July 26, 2016 I've been trying to get the AC set from the Abbey. But after i did all the blue quests (including the daily for the first time) such daily dosen't seem to reset. Just need it 2 Valiant Hearts for the [..] View

Sealed Danuar Mysticarium Key Boxes

11:18 pm, July 22, 2016 Sealed DM has 3 possible instances, accessed at random: defend against waves of mobs, hunt the experiments, and gather the keys. I have never once obtained a hidden prison key for the final door. Peo [..] View

Can anyone play since 5.0 release?

11:18 pm, July 18, 2016 I played the first day, after that AION will no longer run on any of my computers. I have gotten a 3001 error a few times. Uninstalled AION, deleted NCSoft and NCWest folders. Fresh reinstall and same [..] View

Wow isn't that legit

11:18 pm, July 16, 2016 Well as you can tell by the name of the title this is gunna be fun. First off i don't understand why NcSoft cant detect this or anything sketchy like this. 2 days ago there was a level 70 SORC on my [..] View

Drakenseer's Lair

10:18 am, July 14, 2016 I just wanted to put some information out here on the forums for people that are going to start wandering into these instances. As a Siel Asmodian I and some legion mates tried Drakenseer's Lair late [..] View

We finished Adma's Fall twice (w/ video)

11:18 pm, July 13, 2016 Ok so I pugged the first attempt to get a understanding of the instance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MdzxKSLMQQ We did fail it, but we got the boss pretty low. So now that I understood the boss [..] View

How to Obtain <Unicorn>

10:18 am, July 5, 2016 I've been asked quite a lot how to obtain <Unicorn> mount.Many More Pictures First of, you need to have a Prestige account. Then by the machines you will pick a level 50 quest that gives [..] View

Rescue the Reians help

11:18 pm, June 30, 2016 So. This is kind of embarrassing, but in this campaign quest, I died before I could talk to the NPC Anilmo. At first I thought, no big deal, I'll just go back to the room. Except... the destroyed garg [..] View

How do Aethertech?

10:18 am, June 30, 2016 I've made 2 AT's before but i haven't really done much serious endgame stuff.. The stigma build i want is Drillbore, Ravager Cannon, Particle Whip, Aethercharged Steel, Rain Of Knuckles, Meteor Strike [..] View

Guide To MACRO ACCESSORIES

11:18 pm, June 24, 2016 This is my first post on forum so don't mind my constructive way of writing a paragraph :p Well some people have a problem on changing PVP accessories to PVE accessories due to the same name of acce [..] View

Mouse tracking issue

10:18 am, June 6, 2016 I am experiencing an odd problem. Upon logging into the game, when I try to select which character to play, the mouse pointer does not align with with the buttons/fields on the screen. That is, if I [..] View

DD Intraserver Asmo Side

11:18 pm, May 20, 2016 1. It must be "Nekard - Kahrun", but idk why it shows "Siel" 2. Sorry for the not perfect english As title I'm trying to make alliance for DD to run it weekly on Thursday around [..] View

Trouble doing Sealed Argent Manor

10:18 am, May 16, 2016 First of all, I am a bit undergeared, which is why im doing argent manor in the first place. I am doing group instances when I can, but till I'm lucky this is currently what I am using:http://aion.mou [..] View

Nothing happens after Launcher Login & Play

10:18 am, May 15, 2016 I don't know what's going on. I redownloaded this game fresh to play last night after hiatus and after finally taking a moment to sit down and load up, launcher prompts and then there's literally noth [..] View

PvP Events or Regions

10:18 am, May 6, 2016 Good Day Aion Forum. So For the first time in almost 2 Years ive Logged in to Aion, Just to discover that Kahrun Server which used to be a Fantastic Realm is absolutely Quiet and All Rifts Being Dead [..] View

Aion Crash at

10:18 am, May 1, 2016 drakenspire depths/ now on the login Character Name: AbdulL Server: Beritra Level 65, Gladiator I cant finish the campig quest it keeps crash at the boss when I ever walk towards them/ I walk [..] View

Can't Install/Download Aion

11:18 pm, April 20, 2016 I'm brand new to Aion. I got the game downloaded and installed with no problems at a friends house a few days ago when I first created an account. Now, I'm trying to get the game on my computer at hom [..] View

Aion Game Client Has Stopped working " plz Help"

10:18 am, March 31, 2016 Hi all ,, guys i'm playing this game from month ago and everything was ok i had error in the past and am still having it but it wasn't provoking the game from working and it comes after logging exact [..] View

4k

11:18 pm, March 28, 2016 I would like to come back to Aion but I have gotten quite used to 4k in other games and would like to think the game I am spending the most amount of time in can support this. I've been able to get i [..] View

Stuck at loading screen since update.

10:18 pm, March 18, 2016 Hey everyone, long time player, first time poster. Never had any trouble with Aion until now and basically what's happening is after I log in and where the "user agreement: agree / decline" [..] View

Shugo Imperial Tomb, Tips

9:18 am, March 6, 2016 Here is a description of the current event instance, Shugo Imperial Tomb. Current event: http://na.aiononline.com/en/news/eve...-adventure.php Enter by talking to a shugo near the entrance to Panda/ [..] View

Possible fix (Client not loading after update)

9:18 am, February 19, 2016 This is actually to help you guys out - I have been pulling my hair out after the most recent update on 17/2/2016 I had the game working fine then updated and whenever I would click launch the game wo [..] View

first starting out

9:18 am, February 17, 2016 hey guys i play mmos for the pvp and just trying out aion. i have a few questions in the feel of the classes and how they preform in pvp 1. ranger or gunslinger for ranged physical pvp...which 1 is b [..] View

Going to play the game for the first time really, how is playing support/healer?

10:18 pm, February 2, 2016 As title suggests, looking for input on Healer/support in the game currently. I usually only play pure healer classes in MMO(rpg)'s and I understand the healer in this game is Cleric, are there suppo [..] View

Accidentally got stuck in first person in Aion... no mouse scroller. Any solution?

9:18 am, January 26, 2016 Hi. I was playing the game for the first time when all of a sudden I zoomed in by accident. I tried to fix it, but gave up because it wasn't a big difference anyway, but then later I was harvesting a [..] View

ID 101

9:18 am, January 22, 2016 I was curious what everyone else thought on strategy is for this instance. I've always thought it was pretty straight forward but it seems it isn't... For me, it really comes down to 2 things; mark [..] View

Autologin cant change launcher account

9:18 am, January 17, 2016 hey guys ok basically. i logged in the launcher with the wrong account, and had autologin ticked now im stuck and cant change it is their any file or cache or folder i can delete that would reset the [..] View

Cannot use laucher consistently losing connnection to server.

9:18 am, January 14, 2016 <I have heavily discussed this with ncsoft and they say its my isps problem> For some reason...... however just when using this game data gets routed to texas. At first I could login ge [..] View

Need help choosing the first AP set.

10:18 pm, January 13, 2016 Hi all , I write because I need help with the following: I 'm about to buy the first equipment ap . and I do not understand much about what you buy. see I have 3 options a more expensive than the ot [..] View

Original Character Item packs?

10:18 pm, January 13, 2016 when i first started this game i had red wings and earrings i would have to selectively add to each character choose server etc idk how to do this now and i want to make a tech where or what do i do t [..] View

any suggestions for game engine bottlenecks? (aka random freezes)

9:18 am, January 5, 2016 computer parts in question: gtx570 core-i7 2600 4GB memory seagate HDD i have 89-120ping. computer in general is about 4-5yrs old. maybe built 2yrs after aion came out?problem: game locks-up, fr [..] View

Long startup?

10:18 pm, January 4, 2016 Hi guys, First of all i'm not a computer expert at all... i have been playing Aion in this NA server for a year or so. I use my macbook pro to play it (with an additional windows software). I used t [..] View

Gunslinger's Parting Shot not working right

10:18 pm, January 1, 2016 When I use parting shot, it pushes me back the 15m like it should, but then immediately puts me back where I was when I used it. At first I was thinking it might be lag causing my issue, but after [..] View

Game trying to patch and redownload all

9:18 am, December 31, 2015 The last time I played Aion on this computer was November 6th. I remember the 4.9 update on my main comp and it was not very large.. 2 gb maybe? I fired up the launcher on my laptop today and the &q [..] View

Prestige badge

10:18 pm, December 26, 2015 Hi guys first of all Merry Christmas . Now , i have a problem with a quest, i have to get a prestige badge but i can't get it in the shop because it does not exist there... what can i do? I dont want [..] View

PVP Help vs Well-geared Arena of Disc

9:18 am, December 24, 2015 I am frustrated losing in arena of discipline today and it's always the same scenario that I cannot seem to do anything differenty in. I'm 4-star and full officer geared with it +7/8 and almost full [..] View

Email Verification

10:18 pm, December 10, 2015 I am trying to log into Aion, If I save my IP address it sends an email verification, If I dont save it it send the email. I have resigned to always having to do email verification. This time however [..] View

Game freeze and crash when selecting options

9:18 am, November 27, 2015 The issue works like this: I can get into the game as far as logging into a character. However, if at any point I select the options menu (from server select through logged in as a character), the vi [..] View

cannot connect to authorization server error

9:18 am, November 25, 2015 First i sorry cuz my english is very bad Hey guys, i have a problem After i log in and start the game it say cannot connect to authorization server i have re download the game, try many ways i sea [..] View

Argent Manor entry fragment

9:18 am, November 20, 2015 One time only quest? Not daily? Seriously? Good job bringing us the first unpolished full of bugs 4.9.0, we will gladly wait 6 months to see the rest of 4.9 when you bring it altogether with 5.0... (W [..] View

Tier list?

10:18 pm, November 16, 2015 Hi all , could someone help me with the levels set? need to know which facilities should first get the latest and , what is better if GET sauro equipment or orb or infinite only shard of the truth is [..] View

What happened to the siege schedule??

10:18 pm, November 13, 2015 I always used this schedule (since like summer) and it was correct, then after the transition of USA to winter time it became 1 hour incorrect for Agrint but still corrrect for sieges, but today a str [..] View

Problems with the new launcher

10:18 pm, October 29, 2015 I am a veteran player. I survived all problems in this game, but now it is different. I do not care with passwords, PIN, EMAIL, security code, etc to join the game, but I do not accept this failure ( [..] View

T-Dredgion Strategies

11:18 pm, October 16, 2015 Hello Everyone! I did a quick search for what I was looking for on the forums, but I found nothing on the matter. So, here is goes. Backstory: The other day, I was in dred facing asmodians from diff [..] View

Aion GameClient has stopped working .... *read before answering*

10:18 am, October 16, 2015 yes i know this error is very common with aion players ... but mine is a bit different before this last update where now you have to log in outside the game before playing ... i used to run my game [..] View

WTF is with Raksang Ruins?

10:18 am, October 16, 2015 Keep getting ****** by the swarms of pigs/worgs even using the bombs. I don't even finish the first swarm before I am swarmed with the second wave. Is there a strategy to killing the swarms before t [..] View

Help needed

10:18 am, October 7, 2015 Please can someone tell me how to change the destination of the aion installation? The problem T-T When you guys download for the first time it will go to the page you guys have to tick the licence [..] View

Game crashes immediately after launching.

11:18 pm, October 3, 2015 All drivers are up to date. Brand new SSD and GT970. Fresh install of Windows 10 and Aion. No idea what's wrong... There's no error code or anything. It just crashes and then closes. If I try using th [..] View

[PvP Video] Last bye to Katalam

11:18 pm, October 1, 2015 Hello everyone! My nick is Dryice and i play as gladiator on AION EU server Perento. I'm proud to share with you my last video of 4.7.5 patch and my first mixed PvP video. I started playing close [..] View

@55 Twinks

11:18 pm, September 27, 2015 Been pretty busy at the 55 bracket lately. I'm not sure whether it is returning players or an influx of 65's that realize how trash endgame is and how fun twinking can be. Either way I wanted to give [..] View

My topic for my general random stupid questions :D

10:18 am, September 24, 2015 Okay so TL;DR to the topic, I quit before 4.8 came out, now it's out and been out a bit, I'm just coming back and super nyerking confused as to where everything has gone, what is happening, etc. I'm [..] View

Getting Started With PVP

11:18 pm, September 20, 2015 Hello all- I hope this isn't a repeat question, but here's my thoughts. I recently made a new account after having been gone for a while. The reason I'd been gone is because I thought maybe this gam [..] View

Cutscene volume too high

11:18 pm, September 17, 2015 <standardSearchDisclaimer>I did google and forum searches on this issue but could find nothing so if this is a repeat, please forgive me.</standardSearchDisclaimer> Ever s [..] View

Rinkusan's Guide to S Rank

10:18 am, September 10, 2015 Having just recently reached the milestone of S rank after SO MANY attempts, I thought I'd share my personal approach to this instance that might help current A rankers overcome those final few steps [..] View

Leveling up 1-50 thoughts

10:18 am, September 8, 2015 Having just leveled a gunner from 1-50 over the last 2 days I was surprised a lot by the changes to the game in leveling over the last few years. I started my first character slightly before the launc [..] View

Rank not showing

11:18 pm, September 7, 2015 Hello! So, I tried to look for something like this but I haven't found it, which means either that my myopia is acting up and transforming itself or that there isn't a thread yet about this issue (I' [..] View

Hey NCSoft! PVP is somewhat messed up

10:18 am, September 4, 2015 Emmm... SO.... I have created my acc very recently and wanted to share a couple of thoughts/experiences as a new player on the lovely NA servers. Right. First of all, I am very disappointed with the f [..] View

Lucky Danuar Reliquary

10:18 am, August 31, 2015 Just as an FYI. LDR resets daily, you get 3 runs a day. The instance is really simple and takes no more than 15 minutes for all 3 runs. Why am I posting this? First because I constantly see people [..] View

IS Cleric Requirements (Help!)

11:18 pm, August 29, 2015 Okay, so here's my situation. First of all, i'm a Cleric, and this is my first level 65. I always try to get into IS groups but they reject me because i'm not geared out enough. I also don't have enou [..] View

IS requirements

10:18 am, August 24, 2015 Hi, As many of you may know there are people doing a gear check for IS, it's rather unbelievable what they want you to have for gear. Just today, I tried 15 mins of private chat with someone to get in [..] View

Urgent issue.

11:18 pm, August 20, 2015 Hello all. I am experiencing serious problems with Ncsoft and launcher update. I have tried update launcher since last week, but with no success. Also, tried to update yesterday after maintenance, al [..] View

Cannot surf na.aiononline.com nor NCSoft connect to server

10:18 am, August 20, 2015 Dear all, since this mornig I'm having an issue with Launcher (at first I thought it to be only Launcher...) - first error was e01008, then added one line in host file and error changed to e01005... [..] View

Tiamant Stronghold Final Boxes (Noob Question)

10:18 am, August 18, 2015 Hey guys, I'm new to the game and this was my first time doing the instance. When looting the boxes at the end, I asked if anything special about how to loot and wasn't told anything so when I looted [..] View

GtX 970 crashing - help (Non Aion related.)

11:18 pm, August 13, 2015 http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...h-problem.html Hi everyone. Having some serious issues since I upgraded. Here is a listing of my experiences below. My PC build is : Fx-8350 EVGA GeForce GTX [..] View

Leveling Up

11:18 pm, August 13, 2015 Hey guys , its my first time posting here , and iw as wondering about a few question about leveling up through out the game :D do I have to do side quests to level up , or the main story should be en [..] View

Miragent quest line fail!

11:18 pm, August 10, 2015 Hello!Yesterday decided to start doing that miragent especially for the title...after I started and finished do first 4th quests and spent about 20million, for the 5th quest named Pesistence and Luck, [..] View

windows 10 taskbar overlaps

11:18 pm, August 8, 2015 I have had no problems with Windows 10 64-bit and Aion. The first two times that I ran it, there was nothing wrong. But from then on, I have had a problem with windows 10 overlapping. I would try a [..] View

Forced PvP

11:18 pm, August 7, 2015 Hi all,The Issue: Pvp in Aion is forced for lvl 56+. I would like to see it to become a player's choice to pvp or not pvp. In my opinion forced pvp on the open world map is an issue, especially in t [..] View

Can't fly downward in flight

11:18 pm, August 6, 2015 Had same keybinds now for over 6 years, but today for the first time, I cannot fly down in flight. I always was able to move the camera facing downward and press the forward key (W) and my character [..] View

Coded in the Elyos Favor

10:18 am, August 6, 2015 Ya know - sometimes when certain things happen ya just hafta think a certain way. Was in an EOB run against elyos and getting down to the last 3 minutes. I am running past guard post (not through it [..] View

New OB

10:18 am, August 5, 2015 Can anybody explain the new OB to me as far as the shugo is concerned? Ran three times yesterday. First time Shugo was up with the dragon boss, we ****** the dragon first, then the shugo, was easy. [..] View

freezing on 64 bit

11:18 pm, July 25, 2015 Hi I am having a problem I had it working but every time I try to launch the game it goes to a black screen I got windows 8.1 pro which is 64 bit and does any one know a solution to this and no I have [..] View

(A)DLR in 4.8

11:18 pm, July 24, 2015 So I went into DLR for the 1st time in a while the other day - I think last time was 3.7, not sure. And oh wow. What the actual hell. Kept wiping at 25%. First off - my ally was prepared and geared: [..] View

Cleric - What and How to get?

11:18 pm, July 22, 2015 Greetings my dear Friends. I've got a bunch of questions. First I'm sorry if my English isn't that good. I'll live in Germany so it's not my mother tongue. But I think you'll understand me. I reroll [..] View

Hide Vision Hack

10:18 am, July 9, 2015 This subject will be on the growing ''Vision Hack'' I see a lot of people do. Now I I'll have multiple question and statements. To give an example of this ''Vision Hack'' : Here's what happened to m [..] View

PVp class tiers

11:18 pm, July 7, 2015 Alright, I'm going to start out by saying this is probably going to be a most likely heated and loaded topic filled with clashing opinions and differing Ideals based on experiences. WITH THAT BEING SA [..] View

[Guide] Portal Predictions (Lvl 20 Elyos Quest)

10:18 am, July 4, 2015 So, NCSoft added this quest which requires us to use an item at a certain location, easy enough, until you find out that... Yeah, they forgot to add the location of those places to the Locate button. [..] View

About the Ophidan Bridge.HELP!!!

11:18 pm, July 3, 2015 I run the instance with my friends today. The first is perfectly fine. However, the second run is strange because the shugo boss always stand next to the boss. In the first run, shugo boss will escape [..] View

Graphics Help

11:18 pm, June 25, 2015 Hello, since last patch I got a lot of problems with graphics in Aion. I know I don't have good PC, but before game was more playable. Lately I keep getting freezes when facing add spawns at Bosses, [..] View

Forums

First pvp video

Jan 1, 2015, 2:17 pm <p><iframe class='youtube' width='100%' height='400' src='//www.youtube.com/embed/2NuygYm07M0' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe></p>this is the toon I ever had. First video ever hope you enjoy[..] View

New Channel, First video :)

Dec 1, 2014, 9:24 am Hello everyone! It's Enshrouded, Gunslinger from Siel server. Just made a Youtube channel, going to be uploading things a lot, if you wanna come check it out, be my guest; <a href="https://www.youtube[..] View

My first day in a fortress siege

Dec 1, 2014, 2:44 am I am.... a little dissapointed..... about the behavior of players when a faction must siege a fortress. yesterday i joined into an alliance to defend Silona fortress from the Elyos, there was a lot o[..] View

Songweaver or Spiritmaster For First Timer Player End Game

Nov 28, 2014, 7:43 pm I'm loving my songweaver, but every time I see a Spiritmaster go running by my love for bard has a fight with my love for pet class. So I am interested in which will be more groupable end game for p[..] View

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